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Alec talks to Deeper Learning 2025 keynote speaker Dr. Heather Michel about about her difficult experience with school as a kid, her own career as a teacher, and the strategies that she’s developed to help teachers take care of themselves.

In this special live episode from the 2025 Deeper Learning Conference, educator Ron Berger talks to two Japanese educators and their two brilliant children, who have experienced education across cultures in Japan, the United States, and Europe. They talk about the ways in which schools in different countries unleash student potential, and the ways in which they do not—yet.

Lots of teachers come to High Tech High, see how collaborative the teachers are, and get inspired to make their first project a massive interdisciplinary collaboration between, say, English, Spanish, Biology, and Algebra. This is almost always a bad idea. 

Ron Berger talks to Alec about why learning targets put kids in charge of their own learning, and how to make sure they are a success in your class.